I'm a determinist, I'm a predestinarian. I believe that God of his own authority, will and perfect knowledge, futhermore by his GRACE ALONE, decided to call me to be a chosen people, a holy nation and a priesthood. He did that. I didn't. In fact, I could have no part in it. My part is to be a slave to the one TRUE GOD. But there are those who claim free will. That is certainly their right and by no means am I saying that just because right now you think that YOU chose GOD instead of the other way around, that means you're not saved. You need to work that out, I'm only sharing what I've come to, by way of common objections.
Here we go;
I don't think God lines people up and sends some to heaven and some to hell.
Quite right. What does he do? Can you answer that? How are people saved and how are they condemned. Weren't we all born sinners? What choice did you have in that? How then can God condemn you from birth, and for some reason, maybe because you didn't hear the gospel, or you were damaged as a child, then he condemns you to hell...how could he possibly be just in doing that? Because the BIBLE says he IS JUST, just that he takes no pleasure in it...
So what? We're all just puppets and this is one giant charade?
Have you ever considered the root of why that question is possible in your mind? Do you not know that we're talking about the almighty, not your brother daryl? Puppets is an interesting term, seems to connote a sense of not being in control, perhaps not being able to determine for oneself what is right, or wrong. Could you do that before God? What pleasure do you take in being able to make a choice independent of God's explicit will for your life? Would you rather that it depends on you? What is your fear that God would choose you to know him? Or is your fear that he didn't? How would you know the difference? The Bible says you can know, did you know that?
God looks down the corridors of time to see what you're going to do, and he affirms it
Ah, so God created you, with a FOREKNOWLEDGE that you WOULD choose him...what then of the people he FOREKNEW would not? Is God GUILTY of their damnation? Didn't he create them knowing they wouldn't choose him? How can they bare fault? They weren't born with an ability to choose between sin and not, they were BORN sinners, according to Paul. If then, why didn't he create them all with a desire to choose him? Why should any be sent to hell? Why does separation from God even exist?
God gives me the power to choose him
Can you point to a single verse in the bible that EXPLICITLY says that? Then consider these stories and ask yourself did THEY have the power to choose differently?
- Abraham
- Moses
- Joesph
- Pharoah (of the exodus)
- Judas
- Jesus Christ
- Paul (Saul)
- Jonah
If after exhausting those stories and considering the implications and the circumstances...I wonder if you could retain your belief that they had the ability to choose differently that what God desired for them.
I don't see how God can be all loving and send people to hell if they don't want to go there
Do you know the qualities of God, do you know who he is really? How would his qualities become expressed in our world do you think? Say God was a Judge for example, how would he express that quality?
and the big daddy;
For God so loved the WORLD, that he gave his only begotten son....
Have you ever considered why this sentence starts with a "For"? How is love expressed? Is love always expressed with rainbows and butterflies? If God were going to show his people, which we know he claims the church to be, who he is, and how he operates, in what ways would he do that? Have you read the OT to figure out the exact way that he did that?
Friend, don't make an argument against something you don't want to believe. Make an argument FOR what you believe. If it can even stand the test of logic, then you may have something...
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